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		<title>By: Публилий Сир</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Разгневанный всегда считает, что может больше, чем может. <a href="http://sikorskii.ru" rel="nofollow"> </a> <a href="http://rourky.ru" rel="nofollow"> </a> <a href="http://avatar3.ru" rel="nofollow"> </a>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: A.S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This blog is quite new and I was not aware of any people actually reading it. How did you find it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I was doing research on a very important -- okay, actually, I just was googling my name.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Are there any follow-ups on the work described in that (btw. extremely interesting) paper?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There&#039;s my work with Stefan Gries on Collostructional Analysis, and I believe he has actually done some more sophisticated work on dispersion. Stefanie Wulffs dissertation (that I quote in the paper) has since been published as &quot;Rethinking Idiomaticity&quot; with Continuum press. If you have any specific aspects that you&#039;re interested it, feel free to email me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This blog is quite new and I was not aware of any people actually reading it. How did you find it?</p></blockquote>
<p>I was doing research on a very important &#8212; okay, actually, I just was googling my name.</p>
<blockquote><p>Are there any follow-ups on the work described in that (btw. extremely interesting) paper?</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s my work with Stefan Gries on Collostructional Analysis, and I believe he has actually done some more sophisticated work on dispersion. Stefanie Wulffs dissertation (that I quote in the paper) has since been published as &#8220;Rethinking Idiomaticity&#8221; with Continuum press. If you have any specific aspects that you&#8217;re interested it, feel free to email me.</p>
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		<title>By: Armin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again,

Just another two quick questions:

1. This blog is quite new and I was not aware of any people actually reading it. How did you find it?

2. Are there any follow-ups on the work described in that (btw. extremely interesting) paper? There were a few other things that I found worth discussing but which, I suspect, have already been adressed in subsequent work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again,</p>
<p>Just another two quick questions:</p>
<p>1. This blog is quite new and I was not aware of any people actually reading it. How did you find it?</p>
<p>2. Are there any follow-ups on the work described in that (btw. extremely interesting) paper? There were a few other things that I found worth discussing but which, I suspect, have already been adressed in subsequent work.</p>
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		<title>By: Armin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification. I guess what made me stumble about this was that it didn&#039;t become entirely clear to me what it is the article tries to show by calculating inter-annotator agreement at that point. Classifying different kinds of haben+zu+inf didn&#039;t seem very central with respect to the argumentation since we knew from the beginning that the &quot;Verpflichtung&quot;-class was the one we were interested in. One could just as well have made a binary decision (&quot;Verpflichtung&quot; vs. not &quot;Verpflichtung&quot;), which is why readers may be led to assume the scheme to form some kind of natural one (whatever that might mean).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification. I guess what made me stumble about this was that it didn&#8217;t become entirely clear to me what it is the article tries to show by calculating inter-annotator agreement at that point. Classifying different kinds of haben+zu+inf didn&#8217;t seem very central with respect to the argumentation since we knew from the beginning that the &#8220;Verpflichtung&#8221;-class was the one we were interested in. One could just as well have made a binary decision (&#8220;Verpflichtung&#8221; vs. not &#8220;Verpflichtung&#8221;), which is why readers may be led to assume the scheme to form some kind of natural one (whatever that might mean).</p>
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		<title>By: A.S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

&lt;blockquote&gt;The other problem is that I don’t see a reason to assume that a classification schmeme is “the right one” by showing high kappa values. In principle, it should be possible to develop any kind of scheme and achieve good agreement rates as long as the rater instructions are clear and adequately describe all classes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly. Kappa is being used here as a measure of interrater &lt;em&gt;reliability&lt;/em&gt;, not as a measure of &lt;em&gt;validity&lt;/em&gt; of the annotation scheme itself. In other words, a high kappa value indicates that the instructions are clear enough for different raters to achieve essentialy the same results when using the annotation scheme. Whether the categories in the scheme make sense is an entirely different matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<blockquote><p>The other problem is that I don’t see a reason to assume that a classification schmeme is “the right one” by showing high kappa values. In principle, it should be possible to develop any kind of scheme and achieve good agreement rates as long as the rater instructions are clear and adequately describe all classes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly. Kappa is being used here as a measure of interrater <em>reliability</em>, not as a measure of <em>validity</em> of the annotation scheme itself. In other words, a high kappa value indicates that the instructions are clear enough for different raters to achieve essentialy the same results when using the annotation scheme. Whether the categories in the scheme make sense is an entirely different matter.</p>
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